tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post7195977832905182198..comments2023-08-18T10:11:45.483-04:00Comments on Mike In Midwood: FRUM APIKORSIMMikeinmidwoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-65884915360229479202009-05-18T04:16:00.000-04:002009-05-18T04:16:00.000-04:00YET being the key word here.YET being the key word here.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-71651147538258723012009-05-17T22:14:00.000-04:002009-05-17T22:14:00.000-04:00Moshe
Depends on how you reconnect me up. But the...Moshe<br /><br />Depends on how you reconnect me up. But there is a possibilitie.<br /><br />Altie<br /><br />Technically I havent met you yet.Mikeinmidwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-85090334016169812132009-05-17T07:01:00.000-04:002009-05-17T07:01:00.000-04:00Moshe, if you are trying to insult lubavitch, as y...Moshe, if you are trying to insult lubavitch, as you always seem to do, dont bother, it wont work.<br /><br />Mike, people have tried, but you've never met ME.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-41845419677749645322009-05-17T00:42:00.000-04:002009-05-17T00:42:00.000-04:00You do agree that if you had a full frontal you'd ...You do agree that if you had a full frontal you'd be more willing to become a lubab, right?Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-4572881742804661492009-05-17T00:31:00.000-04:002009-05-17T00:31:00.000-04:00Altie
Good luck, but there are those that tried,
...Altie<br /><br />Good luck, but there are those that tried,<br /><br />Moshe<br /><br />You make it seem as if I have a mental disorder.Mikeinmidwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-61057073815377800742009-05-16T23:12:00.000-04:002009-05-16T23:12:00.000-04:00That would prob require a full frontal lobotomy.That would prob require a full frontal lobotomy.Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-6338406071979015692009-05-16T17:43:00.000-04:002009-05-16T17:43:00.000-04:00I guess I have no choice, since it seems I am unab...I guess I have no choice, since it seems I am unable to convince you. Though maybe if I try hard enough I could make a lubavitcher of you one day.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-71726484936803366272009-05-13T22:52:00.000-04:002009-05-13T22:52:00.000-04:00Altie
We will just agree to dissagree, is that fa...Altie<br /><br />We will just agree to dissagree, is that fair enough.Mikeinmidwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-81114247500989858912009-05-13T01:52:00.000-04:002009-05-13T01:52:00.000-04:00"I've always wondered, if the Rebbe is alive, why ..."I've always wondered, if the Rebbe is alive, why go to his kever..."<br />"Hes alive, and hiding in it."<br />Whether or nt this is meant to be making fun of his followers, and not the Rebbe himself, you still don't have to drag him in to it.<br />Yes, I will believe what I want to, but that is not the point.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-16528867841204944682009-05-12T22:50:00.000-04:002009-05-12T22:50:00.000-04:00Okay Missy, you jumped too far. There is no reason...Okay Missy, you jumped too far. There is no reason to say I hate your rebbe, he was a holy man. I happen to also be friends with a many lubavitchers, and I liked my experience at 770 one shabbos. My point is that I have nothing against Lubavitchers, and I think I made it quite clear that I just dont like the ones who claim he is moshiach and is still alive and was supposed to come back today (lag ba'omer). But you can think whatever you want.Mikeinmidwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-29171212575881992392009-05-12T07:44:00.000-04:002009-05-12T07:44:00.000-04:00I wouldn't make fun of him, it's his followers we'...I wouldn't make fun of him, it's his followers we're making fun of. He <B>was</B> a great man. Scientist, learner, leader.<br /><br />His followers are the ones dragging him through the mud. I have heard the following, and each from more than one person: he said he's moshiach, he hinted he's moshiach, he's currently alive, he's god.<br /><br />Yes, I have heard lubavitchers throwing every non-lubavitch rabbi on the floor.Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-78016859229420753982009-05-12T03:18:00.000-04:002009-05-12T03:18:00.000-04:00You guys are sick. If you don't 'believe' in the R...You guys are sick. If you don't 'believe' in the Rebbe, or 'care' for him. fine. Believe whatever the hell you want to believe. But DO NOT go making fun of it, as if you know what you are talking about. He is the Rebbe, a holy man, whether it is past present or future, for you, it makes no difference. You do not see lubavitchers throwing Rabbi Nachman on the floor (and if you do, then they are not representing the whole)<br />So DO NOT GO DRAGGING MY REBBE THROUGH THE MUD. It is not a joke, it is not funny, it is plain sick and immature, so drop it.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-42954128854885845342009-05-12T00:42:00.000-04:002009-05-12T00:42:00.000-04:00Moshe
Hes alive, and hiding in it.Moshe<br /><br />Hes alive, and hiding in it.Mikeinmidwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-30678732455771250122009-05-11T08:15:00.000-04:002009-05-11T08:15:00.000-04:00They're just gonna say that he's a fake Lubavitch ...They're just gonna say that he's a fake Lubavitch and whatever he says is BS.<br /><br />I've always wondered, if the Rebbe is alive, why go to his kever...Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-37508375296154740552009-05-07T20:42:00.000-04:002009-05-07T20:42:00.000-04:00Altie
No, the reason R' Akivas students were kill...Altie<br /><br />No, the reason R' Akivas students were killed is because they didnt treat each other with respect, not because of giving bad rebuke. The rabbi who wrote this is in middle of writing a sefer on halachah, which means its not an opinion but rather a halachah.<br /><br />Im very sorry if you believe him to be mashiach, but simple facts show he isnt, and if you are just playing devils advocate then you can see that its the wrong thing to believe hes mashiach.Mikeinmidwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076346601047947913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-45668469614826493392009-05-07T13:36:00.000-04:002009-05-07T13:36:00.000-04:00Pushing their values on each other-seemingly out o...Pushing their values on each other-seemingly out of love. There's the point.<br /> Rebuke your brother- if he is doing something wrong according to Torah or halacha, and ONLY if its out of love, and if you make sure that you are ok in that area yourself. Only then may you rebuke him<br />Calling people apikorsim, and saying they are doing avoda zara, because they follow the Rebbe, and maybe are extreme about it, is an opinion. It does not say clearly in halacha that this behavior is avoda zara. And I'm sure the people who are doing it dont intend it that way. So no, I dont think it is right to 'correct' them. You accomplish nothing by it, just more strife.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-91919695063670579762009-05-07T12:27:00.000-04:002009-05-07T12:27:00.000-04:00Altie, I believe the reason R' Akiva's students we...Altie, I believe the reason R' Akiva's students were killed was because of their attitude in pushing their values on each other. <br />The Torah says "hocheach tocheach es amisecha". It just must be done properly.Proud MOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529880285867746465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-72641426528334262812009-05-07T11:28:00.000-04:002009-05-07T11:28:00.000-04:00"When you love someone, you try to help them see t..."When you love someone, you try to help them see their mistakes, not let them go unnoticed."<br />Do you realize what you are saying? That was the epitome of Rabbi akivas students argument. They felt like they were doing their friend a 'favor' by pushing their beliefs on him, cuz they were right, and the friend was obviously wrong. As we know, g-d didnt consider it love, and they were killed.<br />Whether or not people believing in the Rebbe is considered avoda zara, which is debatable either way, it is no ones place to set them right. I agree that some people take it to an extreme, but in no way is it considered avoda zara.<br />I still stick with my original opinion- it is only preventing moshiach from coming.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-58059156201990836542009-05-07T11:23:00.000-04:002009-05-07T11:23:00.000-04:00I was at a wedding in Brooklyn recently, and some ...I was at a wedding in Brooklyn recently, and some schnorrer is going around with a yechi pin (you know those yellow ones) on his lapel. I heard a guy tell him, "I don't give to the Catholic church, so I won't give to you."<br />Nice!<br /><br />Altie, you're wrong. Arguing against those who are perverting Judaism will help Mashiach come. One reason the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed was because of avodah zarah. The Lubavitcher Rebbe has been turned into an avodah zarah by many of these people, and having Jews believe in it will prevent Mashiach from coming.<br />Ahavat Yisrael doesn't mean letting your friend do what he wants. When you love someone, you try to help them see their mistakes, not let them go unnoticed. When you let big things slide, it's a sign you don't care about the person.Proud MOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529880285867746465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673987350740610491.post-55677321328596011422009-05-07T09:56:00.000-04:002009-05-07T09:56:00.000-04:00I'm a lubavitcher, and my beliefs are mine alone. ...I'm a lubavitcher, and my beliefs are mine alone. No one will convince me to think otherwise. As you can see, I have not stated what my belifs are, cuz I do not wih to get into an arguement. <br />What is the name of this sefer, may I ask?<br />I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It doesnt matter WHO is moshiach, and fighting and arguing about it will only prevent him from coming now. The main thing is to have ahavat yisroel, and not fight with your fellow jew, and do as much as you can to help speed up his coming.<br />And hearing what you have to say has made no impact on me- but it is kind of sad how much people can just sit and talk, and not get up and DO.Altiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772248808276734643noreply@blogger.com